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janos Site Admin

Joined: 18 Feb 2006 Posts: 62
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 10:22 pm Post subject: Education |
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Change starts with consciousness and education shapes consciousness.
Education can be used to impart knowledge and develop wisdom, or it can be a means of training minds to accept things as they are.
When the world is so much poorer a place than it need be, education is surely being misused to maintain the status quo.
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The purpose of education according to conventional wisdom
It is to set up a youngster for a successful working life. Being equipped for getting and holding good jobs seems to be the main desire of most parents for their children.
Even higher education, where subjects like philosophy, psychology, sociology, etc., are finally available, the emphasis is on assuring that the outcome enables the recipients to find a good job after finishing their studies.
Alongside this, there may be a vague hope and assumption that on the way to becoming "job worthy", young people also turn out to be responsible and and decent citizens by the end of the school years.
However, when the time and effort to acquire competency in the "three Rs" is considered, little of these resources is left for acquiring moral grounding, social skills and sound political awareness, and other "civic virtues".
The evidence is juvenile crime, teenage pregnancies and a general despondency leading to apathy about the future and fate of society.
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janos Site Admin

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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 3:07 pm Post subject: Re: Education |
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| janos wrote: | ...education is ... misused to maintain the status quo.
_____________________________________________________________ | Instead of letting the young child discover the world for itself, she/he is regimented from the age of five or even earlier.
The mind is gradually closed off by means of forcing it into the mechanical cage of the "three Rs".
By the time youngsters are deemed ready for philosophy, psychology, sociology, political economy, most of their capacity for independent evaluation of what is being pumped into their still absorbent minds had been dismantled. |
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hazel
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Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Janos,
Thanks for the quote on Education, I like what you wrote, but I think you are perhaps making an assumption that teachers want to indoctrinate children, all teachers are just people with various opinions and they probably cannot help but impart their own ideas. The other thing I think you have to be careful of is something I have only recently thought about . I think children do need to have knowledge about the world before they can start getting into the idea that they can have opinions on anything, It really annoys me sometimes when you hear people with no knowledge of a subject giving strongly held opionions without being properly informed. I am sure you will agree with me having experienced people expressing opinions based on air.
I think now that education is really quite limited in what it can do to help children think about values etc. It seems to me that the messages children get from TV and the general environment in which they are immersed are so powerful that it is a problem to stimulate their natural curiosity.
I hope you will find these ideas of interest, I fear I am getting rather disillusioned in my old age. I think it is that the tide of materialistic values feels so strong that I cannot see how parents and teachers can have much effect on the young. Anyway, it is always good to think about what is right and good.
Love,
Hazel |
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janos Site Admin

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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:48 pm Post subject: Re: Education |
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| hazel wrote: | ...it is always good to think about what is right and good...
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Dear Hazel,
You are right, this is the most important antidote to becoming disillusioned whether old or young.
We can always think what is right and good even if we feel unable to do at any one time what is necessary to bring about what could be.
See you downstairs.
Love,
Janos
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janos Site Admin

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Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 11:45 pm Post subject: Re: Education |
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| hazel wrote: |
... I think you are perhaps making an assumption that teachers want to indoctrinate children, all teachers are just people with various opinions and they probably cannot help but impart their own ideas... |
Dear Hazel,
I was not really thinking about teachers wanting to indoctrinate children, but about the larger state-dominated aspect of education that regiments teachers to teach prescribed material within a prescribed time frame.
This prevents teachers from fully deploying their professional experience in choosing the time and way to teach what is most suited to the needs of the individual child.
Love,
Janos |
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janos Site Admin

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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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| hazel wrote: | Dear Janos,
Thanks for the quote on Education, I like what you wrote, but I think you are perhaps making an assumption that teachers want to indoctrinate children... | This is not my assumption because the problem is not what teachers do but what they are asked to do by "guidelines" handed down by authorities.
| Quote: | | ...all teachers are just people with various opinions and they probably cannot help but impart their own ideas... | Yes, and nothing wrong with that if these ideas are thought about and the result of personal life experiences and not just unexamined ideas from their own education.
| Quote: | | ...The other thing I think you have to be careful of is something I have only recently thought about. I think children do need to have knowledge about the world before they can start getting into the idea that they can have opinions on anything... | Yes, knowledge of child development with the different stages involved is a constituent of teachers' professional competence.
| Quote: | ...It really annoys me sometimes when... people with no knowledge of a subject giving strongly held opinions without being properly informed. I am sure you will agree with me having experienced people expressing opinions based on little more than hearsay and prejudice.
I think now that education is really quite limited in what it can do to help children think about values etc. It seems to me that the messages children get from TV and the general environment in which they are immersed are so powerful that it is a problem to stimulate their natural curiosity... | Absolutely so, this is why education is one of the twelve major problem areas where society is going dangerously wrong.
The question is whether or not society and the people composing it should or could do something about this discrepancy between structured" education and the kind of education the larger social environment provides by default, as it were. And this is one of the questions that the education team needs to examine within the framework of the proposed holistic methodology of knowledge gathering.
An important part of this methodology is that research in specific areas of expertise benefit from inputs from all other, traditionally non-related, fields, like economics (in dealing with funding obstacles, for example).
| Quote: | ...I hope you will find these ideas of interest, I fear I am getting rather disillusioned in my old age. I think it is that the tide of materialistic values feels so strong that I cannot see how parents and teachers can have much effect on the young. Anyway, it is always good to think about what is right and good.
Love,
Hazel |
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